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APT Peer Conversation Project: Michelle Langille x Kat McCormack
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Michelle Langille meets with Kat McCormack (Artistic Director, Eastern Front Theatre) in studio, to capture a podcast recording of their conversation about accessibility in theatrical contexts.
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Michelle Langille meets with Kat McCormack (Artistic Director, Eastern Front Theatre) in studio, to capture a podcast recording of their conversation about accessibility in theatrical contexts.
APT Peer Conversation Project: Sehar Bhojani x Saba Akhtar
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Sehar Bhojani meets with interdisciplinary artist Saba Akhtar, for a conversation and a rumination on race within theatre and storytelling.
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Sehar Bhojani meets with interdisciplinary artist Saba Akhtar, for a conversation and a rumination on race within theatre and storytelling.
APT Peer Conversations: Rinchen Dolma x Lucy Coren
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Rinchen Dolma, a past alumni of our APT program speaks with Lucy Coren (theatre producer, creator and dramaturg) about her producing practice and how she came to producing community-based creation. While they converse, the two brainstorm about community engagement on a jam board and even have a budget building jam session.
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Rinchen Dolma, a past alumni of our APT program speaks with Lucy Coren (theatre producer, creator and dramaturg) about her producing practice and how she came to producing community-based creation. While they converse, the two brainstorm about community engagement on a jam board and even have a budget building jam session.
Trigger warning: Includes the sound of chewing. Caution for those with misophonia.
Paprika's 22/23 Hot Topic Series: You're Not Lucky, You're Bleeding
I’ve never seen anyone’s eyes bulge out of their head harder than when people find out a queer Chinese-Canadian interdisciplinary performance artist just completed a Metcalf internship… In 🥳Executive Direction🎉.
Sorry to the national theatre ecology, but I’m just not built for that life. And I have nothing but respect to those with the patience and stamina who do. Still, despite my emotionless break-up with arts administration, I watched the recorded session of the Paprika Festival’s third Hot Topics series What can the future of Toronto Theatre Look Like? as if I was consistently checking on an ex to see how they were doing.
This is the third blog in a series of Artist Responses to Paprika’s 22/23 Hot Topics series. In this post, interdisciplinary performance artist and arts worker Stephanie Fung provides a personal response to the ‘What can the future of Toronto Theatre look like?’ online conversation.
I’ve never seen anyone’s eyes bulge out of their head harder than when people find out a queer Chinese-Canadian interdisciplinary performance artist just completed a Metcalf internship…
In 🥳Executive Direction🎉.
Sorry to the national theatre ecology, but I’m just not built for that life. And I have nothing but respect to those with the patience and stamina who do. Still, despite my emotionless break-up with arts administration, I watched the recorded session of the Paprika Festival’s third Hot Topics series What can the future of Toronto Theatre Look Like? as if I was consistently checking on an ex to see how they were doing.
Led by Cheyenne Scott, this round table features four artistic directors in their first official year of leadership, including Cameron Grant (Shakespeare in Action), Mel Hague (Factory Theatre), Joelle Peters (Native Earth Performing Arts), and marcel stewart (bcurrent performing arts).
There’s no one path that led to their positions in leadership. “All of us, as artists, take on a sense of leadership in every project that we do […]” Hague illustrates. “There’s something about marshaling audiences [and just choosing to be in this industry] that requires all of us to stand up in front of an audience and lead them in some way.”
It just so happened that company jobs were better suited for the rhythm they wanted to create in their life, and getting situated in one place provided the ability to immerse themselves with the team, their values, and their goals.
While these bright leaders have creative and ambitious ideas, upon arrival, they are often met with the realities of what their first year will look like. And that’s not necessarily a bad thing.
No amount of research, planning, or imagination makes you immune to the limitations of money, time, and people.
But there’s a grace period for these artists to acclimate to their new positions through the inheritance of their predecessor’s programming. In Grant’s experience, “That gives you both the time to learn about the organization as things are moving, and start putting your own ideas on the timeline that’s running ahead.”
Amongst the panelists, there are recurring sentiments about maintaining a work-life balance and the pressure as a newcomer to honour the space you’re entering in a way that doesn’t replicate whatever came before you. Former Factory AD Nina Lee Aquino’s committed attendance as an audience member was a critical and personal way for her to support the community she’s a part of, but Hague prefers the intimacy of getting to know artists over coffee. Everyone’s different capacities and preferred avenues of connection and community engagement have their own unique value.
With this massive upheaval in how we understand leadership and collaboration, it feels like the industry is catching up to what artists like myself have been trying to curate for years! And it excites me to see others engaging in the same work, with the same care I aim to bring to the table.
So why do I still find it difficult to imagine their dreams and visions for the future of theatre in Toronto without incredible cynicism?
Every arts organization is knee deep in the mud pit, wrestling each other for the same $20, and we’re still desperately recovering from the structural impact of COVID-19. But collectively, there’s such a focus on where we want to be that we’re not paying attention to where we are or how we’ll even get there.
The pandemic didn’t only interrupt ticket sales and production runs. Our increased dependency on streaming and social media has drastically changed our relationship to art from engagement to consumption. Unprecedented circumstances discourage a willingness to take risks with time or money. And with a rise in automation, the definition and understanding of ‘labour’ has never been more contested.
Theatre, in Toronto, has failed to address any of this. Or maybe the panelists ran out of time (60 minutes is a tight timeline to save the world).
I want to hear concrete steps to implement a shorter work/rehearsal week or support more homegrown works, and not just a desire to do so. I want to see outside-the-box approaches to attract new audience members and increase attendance. I want to know there is a leader who will actively consider and involve technicians and other theatrical cavalries in their artistic and organizational decision-making.
I’d also love to see an artistic leader physically fight a politician for the funding the sector deserve, or at least, against the policies that increase the cost of living and decrease the quality of life in the city. But the core of that curiosity is simply a hunger for a strategy that is tangible, straightforward and visceral. We can’t holistic workshop our way out of burnout or an operational deficit.
Sometimes the desire we have to do what we love clouds our judgment in recognizing what we’re willing to put up with. Sometimes it’s easier to tell ourselves we’re simply lucky instead of mopping up the blood, sweat and tears we’ve poured into our careers. Sometimes we’re so used to bleeding, sweating and crying that we can’t imagine an alternative method of progress.
Unfortunately, I was cursed with the inability to take a back seat in decision-making and an incompatibility with a 9 to 5. In truth, I burned out every other month of my Metcalf internship. It was an incredible hands-on learning experience and I loved everyone I worked with, but I get why so many people have recently left the industry.
Across Toronto, I witnessed a higher turnover rate with theatre companies in the last year than when my multi-hyphenate title also entailed “server-vaccination passport agent” during the peak of the pandemic. I don’t believe for a second that most artistic leaders have taken the time to reflect on, or respond to, the needs and abilities of the people who keep their organizations running–artists, arts workers, and audiences included.
What this Hot Topic session presents is an existing impulse for this kind of change. But as an industry, reputation is a currency we haven’t learned to harness. People in the city already have a desire to attend an artistic experience that’s only available for a limited time! Toronto is full of gimmicky immersive experiences and word-of-mouth based event organizers that have no issue selling tickets–there’s a cool factor about their attendance. It’s high time someone paid attention to a demographic of audiences that aren’t the people who make theatre, or the people who fund it.
I wonder what it’ll take for us to stop seeing and making theatre out of obligation instead of excitement. I think these panelists might already be on the way.
Special thanks to Columbia Roy and Paul Smith.
APT Peer Conversations: Tsholo Khalema x Jan Alicia Jennings
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Tsholo Khalema meets with Jan Alicia Jennings (Singer, Playwright, Poet, Songwriter, Visual Artist, Art's Facilitator, Dramaterg and Comedian) to discuss creation, art, digital spaces + more in a series of three conversations.
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Tsholo Khalema meets with Jan Alicia Jennings (Singer, Playwright, Poet, Songwriter, Visual Artist, Art's Facilitator, Dramaterg and Comedian) to discuss creation, art, digital spaces + more in a series of three conversations. You can see all of the responses that have been released to date and read more about the ATP Peer Conversations Project here.
Conversation #1
APT Peer Conversations Project: Maricris Rivera x Kodie Rollan
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Maricris Rivera speaks with Kodie Rollan (Artistic Director, Chromatic Theatre) to unpack ways to minimize harm in the creative process and value humans first, before the art.
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Maricris Rivera speaks with Kodie Rollan (Artistic Director, Chromatic Theatre) to unpack ways to minimize harm in the creative process and value humans first, before the art.
Illustrated response to What Happens When People Leave?
This is the fourth post in a series of artist responses to the Get on Board: Workshop and Speaker Series by the Creative Champions Network, an initiative of the Toronto Arts Foundation. As a co-creator of the series in 2022/23, Generator has engaged Artist Responders to attend each session, to summarize, reflect and respond to the emerging conversations and activities.
This is the fourth post in a series of artist responses to the Get on Board: Workshop and Speaker Series by the Creative Champions Network, an initiative of the Toronto Arts Foundation. As a co-creator of the series in 2022/23, Generator has engaged Artist Responders to attend each session, to summarize, reflect and respond to the emerging conversations and activities. In this post, Julianna Bandz (visual artist and graphic designer) reflects on the What Happens When People Leave session on April 4th, 2023. This is one of two reflections on this session. Find an alternative perspective from Shannon Litzenberger here.
New Leadership for a New World: Reflections on What Happens When People Leave?
This is the third post in a series of artist responses to the Get on Board: Workshop and Speaker Series by the Creative Champions Network, an initiative of the Toronto Arts Foundation. As a co-creator of the series in 2022/23, Generator has engaged Artist Responders to attend each session, to summarize, reflect and respond to the emerging conversations and activities.
This is the third post in a series of artist responses to the Get on Board: Workshop and Speaker Series by the Creative Champions Network, an initiative of the Toronto Arts Foundation. As a co-creator of the series in 2022/23, Generator has engaged Artist Responders to attend each session, to summarize, reflect and respond to the emerging conversations and activities. In this post, Shannon Litzenberger (dancer, choreographer, director & facilitator) reflects on the What Happens When People Leave session on April 4th, 2023. This is one of two reflections on this session. Find an alternative reflection from Juliana Bandeira here.
Facilitating leadership transition is one of the key responsibilities of any non-profit board. In this moment of accelerated social and cultural transformation, what are the leadership models and practices that will lead us toward a positive future aligned with our collective thriving?
In listening to the distinctive experiences of three arts organizations undergoing leadership transitions, I was struck by how leadership changeover offered opportunities to reorient and experiment with new processes and models. I was also heartened by the attention paid to carrying forward positive legacies (change doesn’t mean throwing the baby out with the bathwater), while letting go of models and practices not aligned with the emerging future.
I will summarize my reflections in three parts.
First, leadership transition is offering an opportunity to experiment with new hiring practices and models of leadership.
As we heard from all three organizations, leadership transition offered the opportunity to try something new. In the case of Native Earth, the near simultaneous departure of longtime artistic and executive leadership Keith Barker and Isaac Thomas gave way to the hiring of Joelle Peters and Himanshu Sitlani - two new, developing-in-their-role leaders buttressed by a support circle comprised of experienced leaders in the arts community, available to provide guidance and share learning.
For The Toronto Consort, flutes player Alison Melville spoke of an emergent model of Artistic Associates (there are eight of them!) that has been adopted following the departure of founding Artistic Director David Fallis. The decision to distribute artistic leadership among associates rather than enter into a hiring process is allowing for the preservation of specialized artistic knowledge already present within the organization, while carrying forward a valued (but atypical) legacy of collaboration established by Fallis.
For Generator, attention to the hiring process itself was the first consideration in their approach to a new co-leadership model, motivated by problematic and extractive executive hiring practices experienced by board and staff leadership through their careers. In a re-imagined search process, Generator aimed to serve the leaders they wanted to attract, engaging in a way that was respectful of their time, their intellectual contributions, and with a mindfulness toward the power dynamics at play during executive search processes. Importantly, this work became a sharable resource for the field, allowing other organizations to model their success.
Second, leadership can successfully shift away from heroic models toward co-creative models, if we give time for learning, experimentation and risk-taking.
Early in my career at the tender age of 23, I was hired into a significant leadership role at a small but fast-growing national arts service organization where I was supported by several mentors who guided my development. At that time, I wasn’t ready to take on the role without support. This on the job experience was invaluable to me, accelerating my growth as a leader both through their ongoing counsel and through the connections they facilitated in the field.
The community-based support circle model in place to support Joelle and Himanshu at Native Earth offers similar benefits, ensuring that as new-to-their-role leaders are learning, they have strong guidance and a robust support system. With the right balance of offering support and agency to new leaders, advisories can impart something better than skills and knowledge, they can offer the wisdom of experience and confidence-building encouragement as leaders are learning into their potential.
Likewise, Kristina Lemieux and ted witzel at Generator note that over the past eight years, the company has been learning its way into a new business model, moving toward producer training in a paradigm where more often than not, models of production for live performance are no longer ‘one size fits all’ but ‘one size fits one’. Experimentation has been paramount here, sometimes involving trial and error, but always avoiding the wholesale replication of existing systems. Kristina notes that the board’s higher than average risk tolerance was critical to the shift toward a new model.
How can boards better support learning through doing? This kind of experiential development holds tremendous potential to mobilize imagination and emergent possibilities.
Third, if we want strong and sustainable leadership, we need to stop sacrificing people in the name of organizational preservation and mission realization.
Perhaps one of the outstanding features of the capitalist system at this moment is the extent to which it is willing to generate profit at all costs. Even in the non-profit sector, including in the arts, we regularly achieve at our own expense, modeling the toxic aspects of our society we are often simultaneously trying to transform.
I was heartened to hear the ‘small and mighty tired’ workforce addressed by ted at Generator who is working to re-model organizational processes in ways that balance the health of people with organizational needs and capacity. There are so many cultural and structural reasons that motivate the perpetuation of burnout in the non-profit sector that I won’t get into here. However, I will say that uncoupling from this deeply conditioned habit is challenging. The key to lasting change just might be in how we understand what ‘leadership’ means and how we do it.
Leadership in any arts organization, whether solo or collaborative, carries a tremendous burden of responsibility. When that responsibility is unreasonable (ie- a recipe for stress and burnout) and unsupported (ie - isolating and hierarchical), we bleed out talent from our field and struggle increasingly to fill leadership positions. The shared and community supported leadership structures in all three organizations aim to spread responsibility and care, allowing for more sets of shoulders to carry the proverbial load.
While our workforce is highly motivated by the mission of the arts, it’s unacceptable for boards to exploit that motivation with below average wages coupled with unrealistic expectations of work output. As a sector, we are too often failing to protect a basic state of wellness for artists and arts workers. And we’re often doing it because we are trying to maintain activity while balancing budgets.
What can we reasonably ask of leadership in the arts? What is an organization’s responsibility to the wellbeing of its people? I was encouraged by Alison’s comments at The Toronto Consort who signaled that the development of people, whether they stay or leave, is, in and of itself, a positive outcome. Positive experiences help retain talent in the field.
If we thought about the arts less as a system that produces culture, and more like a project of human growth and development, we might find ourselves centring new leadership values inside our organizations as well as in our public facing endeavors, as these three organizations are demonstrating.
Leaders model the worlds they are working to bring into existence. Organizations can too.
How much of this post was written by Bianca or AI ?
This blog post is all about how art and AI can work together to aid creative processes. We'll talk about ChatGPT - what it is and how it can be used for artistic purposes. We'll also discuss some of the benefits of collaborating with ChatGPT, like getting inspiration and exploring new artistic styles. Of course, we'll also touch on the ethical considerations that come with using AI in art. Plus, some examples of how the author uses AI to support their own artistic work. And at the end, there are some resources to check out if you want to learn more.
This blog post is all about how art and AI can work together to aid creative processes. We'll talk about ChatGPT - what it is and how it can be used for artistic purposes. We'll also discuss some of the benefits of collaborating with ChatGPT, like getting inspiration and exploring new artistic styles. Of course, we'll also touch on the ethical considerations that come with using AI in art. Plus, some examples of how the author uses AI to support their own artistic work. And at the end, there are some resources to check out if you want to learn more.
The Benefits of Artistic Collaboration with ChatGPT
Artificial intelligence (AI) has been making waves in the art world, opening up new possibilities for artists to create and collaborate. One such tool is ChatGPT, a language model developed by OpenAI that is capable of generating human-like responses to prompts. By collaborating with ChatGPT, artists can tap into its vast knowledge and creativity, using it as a source of inspiration or even as a co-creator.
Image generated by Midjourney prompt: sketch of a computer and its workflow vs. a human brain and its workflow
ChatGPT can be used in a variety of artistic contexts, from generating poetry to creating music. It can help artists overcome creative blocks by providing a virtually limitless source of inspiration and ideas. Moreover, it can help artists explore new artistic styles or techniques by generating works in different styles. ChatGPT can even assist artists in generating content quickly and efficiently, freeing up time and mental space for the artist to focus on other aspects of their work.
The potential applications of ChatGPT in art are vast and varied, limited only by the creativity and imagination of the artists who use it. However, there are also ethical considerations that must be taken into account. One of the primary ethical concerns surrounding the use of ChatGPT in art is the issue of authorship and ownership. When AI is involved in the creative process, it can be difficult to determine who is responsible for the resulting work. Is the artist the sole author of the work, or does the AI have some ownership as well? Moreover, if the work is sold or used for commercial purposes, who is entitled to the profits generated by that work?
In conclusion, the use of ChatGPT in artistic collaboration has the potential to push the boundaries of creativity and democratize art. By tapping into the vast knowledge and creativity of AI, artists can expand their artistic horizons, generate new and innovative works, and potentially reach new audiences. However, it is important to consider the ethical implications of using ChatGPT in art. By establishing clear guidelines and protocols, we can ensure that the use of AI in art is ethical, responsible, and sustainable.
How AI is helping me with my artist producer work?
As someone who lives in the aftermath of multiple brain injuries, and with chronic post-concussion syndrome I had to reflect a lot on my relationship to work over the past few years. Through trial and error, I am developing/ organizing tools that support a healthier work routine, such as note taking that aids my short-term memory, etc. So far, this have been ways I used AI to support me:
Summarize, and find the action items on meeting notes
I was recently stressed about remembering details to an important Generator meeting. I asked for the team if we could record the meeting and turn on captions so that there would be a transcript and using that ChatGPT provided me with an accurate summary and action items based on our conversation (which I double checked for accuracy based on reading the transcript)
Translate
Often I am in the middle of a sentence e troco de idioma. Resolvido, aperto traduzir e minhas anotações de reuniões podem ser facilmente compartilhadas com colegas. (Problem solved, I press translate and my meeting notes can be easily shared with colleagues)
Grants
I personally am not interested in having the AI write a grant for me (though I think this can be an artistic project/research on funding bodies on its own, and surrender your creative decision making to AI for a project).
I have felt very insecure in writing grants in the past, partially due to systemic barriers of not having a Canadian Permanent Residency to have my personal account at different granting bodies for many years or for being a ESL speaker. It is helpful to have AI support my grantwritting by suggesting grammar improvements, changing the tone of a confident cis-men lol, reducing the character count, or finding the core of an idea that I frantically typed onto a page.
Check lists
Prompt: self-producing for theater check-list centered on care and wellness:
Prioritize self-care and wellness throughout the production process, including scheduling breaks, setting healthy boundaries, and practicing mindfulness.
Create a safe and inclusive working environment that values the mental health and well-being of all participants.
Establish clear communication protocols to ensure that everyone feels heard and supported.
Incorporate wellness activities into the rehearsal process, such as meditation, or collective check-ins.
Provide resources and support for mental health and wellness, such as access to counseling services or support groups.
Foster a culture of transparency and honesty, where participants feel comfortable sharing their struggles and seeking help when needed.
Encourage self-reflection and personal growth throughout the production process.
Celebrate successes and achievements along the way, and prioritize gratitude and appreciation for the contributions of all participants.
Remember, this is just a starting point, and the specific steps may vary depending on the production and the resources available. The most important thing is to prioritize care and wellness for all participants throughout the production process. Good luck with your self-producing efforts!
It’s important to fact check the research, or check-list information you gather from the AI. For instance, the example above looked up, and referenced onArtistProducerResource.com then you can decide how to continue from there.
Brainstorming questions
I often fall into abstract thinking, so feeding a thought into the AI and asking it to generate a brainstorming question aided a bunch of questions to reflect, and journal about.
Image generated by Midjourney prompt: sketch of a computer and its workflow
How much of this post was written by Bianca or AI ?
In case you are curious, I brain dumped ideas, wrote a few AI prompts, and did some editing… For transparency, here was the workflow and prompts for this article:
B: Give me a structure about a blog post that talks about the potentials of art in collaboration with chat gpt;
ChatGPT:
I. Introduction
II. ChatGPT and Art: A Perfect Match
III. The Benefits of Artistic Collaboration with ChatGPT
IV. Ethical Considerations
V. Conclusion
B: Expand on item I. Introduction; Expand on II. ChatGPT and Art: A Perfect Match, etc..
I then took the whole AI generated article, moved into notion (that has AI embedded into it), and asked it to take the 1090 words and fit into 300 words (those are under the The Benefits of Artistic Collaboration with ChatGPT).
After that, I dumped my confessions on how I am using AI in my day-to-day work, and how it is supporting my access needs. I only fed 2 prompts for the AI in that section. First, “translate this sentence from Brazilian Portuguese to English” and the second is written on the sample checklist section.
On authorship & transparency
AI tools may have a significant impact on many artistic fields in complex and nuanced ways yet to be determined. ChatGPT is revolutionary for writing, and similar tools like MidJourney are AI for images and design. As we explore the potential of these tools, we must consider the complexities of the tech industry and how it gets co-opted by capitalism and colonialism, impacting many lives by making people’s information a form of currency. While it's natural to feel a combination of curiosity and hesitation, I want to also recognize the creative potential and workflow impacts of these tools. I feel it is important to say that I may not be an expert on the topic, but I am very curious to learn more!!
If you have any questions, want to jam on the topic, or want to offer feedback, please reach me at bianca@generatorto.com.
This post was co-written by Bianca Guimarães, ChatGPT (without much information on its databases, learning systems, and sources). Bianca was inspired by conversations on the topic with Patricia Allison, Kristina Lemieux, Matthew Waddel, Laura Anzola, David Ledo, Bon Adriel, Gui Morilha, Qian Cheng, and Pam Tzeng. As well as countless youtube videos by a wide range of content creators, and a webinar hosted by Zeffy titled “Leveraging the Power of ChatGPT for Nonprofits.”
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Image generated by Midjourney prompt: sketch of a computer and it’s workflow vs a human braind and it’s workflow 2
APT Peer Conversations Project: Ryan G. Hinds x Julie Tomaino
JT: “You have to ask for what you want. You can’t just
sit around and expect that everyone’s gonna be like
‘Oh, Julie Tomaino you should do this’. It doesn’t work
that way. There’s too many people in this industry,
especially if you’re an emerging artist, not to be clear on
your goals”
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Ryan G. Hinds meets with Julie Tomaino to discuss artistic visioning, pushing through, and change making in the performing arts. You can see all of the responses that have been released to date and read more about the ATP Peer Conversations Project here.
Ryan G. Hinds x Julie Tomaino
Director, Choreographer, and Former Performer Julie Tomaino and I have worked
together twice, both times with her as Choreographer and me as Actor. In our
conversations for Generator, we covered a lot of ground, named a lot of names, and
spoke openly about our successes and challenges.
On Having A Clear Artistic Vision
JT: “You have to ask for what you want. You can’t just sit around and expect that everyone’s gonna be like ‘Oh, Julie Tomaino you should do this’. It doesn’t work that way. There’s too many people in this industry, especially if you’re an emerging artist, not to be clear on your goals”
RGH: “I wish schools would be more honest and say ‘there’s no work out there and there’ll be a bunch of you going for a handful of jobs’. You have to know how to push for an opportunity you believe in, or know how to make your own opportunities.”
Photo of Ryan and Julie provided by the artists
On Pushing Through
JT: “I can hear ‘no’ a thousand times and still say ‘...but what about?’ I have so much persistence and resilience.”
RGH: “I find it really hard to let go of challenges and ‘No’. If something doesn’t happen, I’m going to keep trying and keep trying to make it happen in the way that I want it to.”
On How To Be A Change-Maker
JT “That’s how you incite change: playing the game until you’re in a position where you can make structural change. Every time I have a little ounce of power to make a tiny bit of change, I make little steps towards the industry being a bit better.”
RGH: “Big changes don’t happen overnight, but there’s more and more of them happening because more and more of us are getting into these positions that affect the decision-making. We’re not just artists anymore.”
APT Peer Conversations: Jordan Campbell x Andrew Tay
Toronto is hardcore
conservative
intense
hustle
back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back
As part of the APT Peer Conversation Project, Jordan Campbell meets with Andrew Tay (Artistic Director, Toronto Dance Theatre) to discuss and ultimately question the systems/frameworks of production in theatre/dance in Toronto. You can see all of the responses that have been released to date and read more about the ATP Peer Conversations Project here.
Toronto is hardcore
conservative intense hustle
back-to-back-to-back-to-back-to-back
What is a producer?
The person who makes things happen. The person who gets the money and controls the money.
supporting development making opportunities for artists
hiring people programming artists
In Europe, producers act like agents, representing the show.
ARTIST - PRODUCER RELATIONSHIP
who is being programmed at this event? does the producer trust me?
do I have creative freedom?
do I have the information I need?
do I want more support in my process? are they open to what I want to try? why am I here?
speak the language of the people you’re working with
“Think: festival” “You won’t get the performer’s music until a few hours before the show”
“What CAN’T I do in this space?”
“I’ve done this before”
SCHEDULING
the new generation is talking about ways to avoid burnout
4-day work weeks
spread out tech weeks
split tech schedules in a shared space
boundaries around checking emails
paid weeks off after a project
how do we take a break? how do we get away from the work?
when are we working?
Boundaries
when will I check my email? what needs to be done today?
how many shows can we do in a row? how long can we tour?
when do I need a day off?
I DON’T WANT TO WORK ON SUNDAYS
intensive work periods
s l o w d e v e l o p e m e n t s
Low investment - High payoff
What if someone isn’t available to tour?
first right of refusal
royalty fee are we willing
to do this without them?
saying NO
does my work belong here? is it worth it?
what work will this entail?
what if my NO means a NO for others?
shows that other artists can be thrown into shows that create a container which can tour shows with small, tight teams
shows with huge installs and big international teams
bigger budgets, bigger stars, bigger problems When things get more expensive, will the politics of the piece align with the spaces that can afford them?
cool
WHAT MAKES SOMETHING COOL?
it’s outside the status quo
there’s a mythology around it
it’s a special thing, not everyone knows it a group resonates around it
ease
don’t try too hard
going with the flow
is something NEW or DIFFERENT going to happen?
am I going to meet new people? will the space be comfortable, exciting, sexy? will people be taking risks at this event?
maybe live performance isn’t cool anymore
do people want to go outside their scene and try something new? what if the show makes people uncomfortable?
HOW MUCH DO PEOPLE WANT TO KNOW
about what’s going to happen?
AUDIENCE PARTICIPATION
interaction
what are we getting ourselves into? I don’t want to trick the audience how do we maintain surprise? embodied consent
giving options
CONTENT WARNINGS
trigger warnings how are they worded? when do you receive them?
is nudity offense? are the sounds really that loud? what is my responsibility?
do I want to see this?
how long is it?
ARE YOU THIRSTY TO TOUR?
practice talking to people about your work
short exciting specific to the other’s interests invite people to little showings
showcases
events
parties
community
not just selling one show… talking about your whole practise
it’s a long game
The CONTEXT of a show is important does the producer understand?
“MAYBE DO THIS AS A HALLOWEEN EVENT”
can we still hold space for risks as the stakes get higher?
safe choices are easier
if you’re going to take risk, you have to be okay with the results
if you give yourself a challenge, expect it to be hard
how much capacity do you have for this risk? do we have the right resources?
who does? is someone going to get hurt?
why are we doing this?
What makes a successful art piece?
What makes us happy?